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It's October, which means actually that I had ought to start planning next year's garden. (That way I have time to research, prep the soil, and order anything I need to order before planting time next spring.)

The back yard is not bad-sized, fenced on all sides, but pretty darn shady -- between the high fences and the big trees in the neighbors' yards, some parts of it are almost entirely shade, while some others are largely but not entirely sunny. I have no idea about the soil quality -- I'll need to dig around and see how much fertilizing I might need to do.

The yard layout right now is sort of a square, maybe.... twenty feet to a side? I'm bad at estimating distance; I'm probably totally off. Maybe a quarter of the side close to the house is tiled, and I'm going to leave those tiles be -- might expand them a little, even, so there's room for a grill. On the back fence, stretching from the inside quarter along the fence for half to three-fourths of its length is a raised bed, maybe three feet high and four feet deep. It's currently full of low-maintenance plants; I should get a book and ID them. So that's ten feet by four feet of plantable soil to work with. The rest of the yard is flat, packed down and covered in woodchips. Our next-door neighbor has a yard with no lawn -- hers is a series of rock-lined terraces, interspersed with lanterns and tiled footpaths, which I rather like. Eventually, I'd like to get rid of the woodchips, put in some decent soil in the rest of the yard, pull out the raised wooden box and replace it with larger and more attractive terraces. But that's way too big a project for one year (unless I hire someone to do the big landscape work and just handle the planting myself, which would require, well, money), so perhaps next year I'll just replant the raised bed. Hm.

I'd like herbs for sure (my window garden died, I think because the season changed altered the angle of light and suddenly they weren't getting enough, which I should have thought of), some vegetables, and the rest ornamental. Ideally the ornamental stuff will be native or largely native, partly to avoid the problems caused by non-native invasives and partly because native plants are often easier to care for. I don't want a lawn, although I do want to preserve the tiled semi-patio area in case we get a grill.

Obviously I'm not going to plant everything I want the first year, or I'll go mad, but I've started thinking about the types of things I'll ultimately want. Herbs are my first priority; I know I want parsley, basil, sage, tarragon, chives, thyme, lavendar, cilantro, rosemary, and oregano, depending on what I can get to grow. My thus-far minimal research says that the following veg will grow reasonably well in Seattle: broccoli, leeks, chard, carrots, snap peas, green peas, beets, lettuces, onions, garlic, peppers, radishes, turnips, asparagus, and spinach. And melons. It remains to be seen which would grow well in my yard -- I'm pretty sure tomatoes will only do on the balcony, because they probably need more sunlight than I can give them -- but that's a good variety to look at and decide what to plant.

Date: 2008-10-22 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellwethr.livejournal.com
Some of those veggies you've mentioned are fall/winter veggies, and some are "summer" veggies that need to be planted in the late fall (such as onions, garlic, shallots, etc.)

Lettuce can actually be grown indoors in containers if you've got a south/west facing window! :)

Can you tell I can't wait until I have a real yard of my own?!?

From our experiences this summer, tomatoes in containers do *much* better than tomatoes in the ground. We had a reasonable harvest of cherry tomatoes from our patio cherry hybrid, but very few from either the "real" tomatoes or cherry tomatoes that were planted in the ground.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triath.livejournal.com
I think it depends more on where the ground and pots are located, and the soil in those places - plants near the house get more radiant warmth, and pots tend to dry out more, so if your soil gets waterlogged that's bad. I had exactly the opposite experience in SoCal because the pots soil dried out faster than I could water them. Also, pot soil is usually made for plants, but ground soil usually needs some love and attention. :]

Date: 2008-10-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellwethr.livejournal.com
Oh, everything depends on circumstances. I was specifically talking about tomatoes in seattle, since tomatoes like a *LOT* of heat (like 80 degree+ days), and the soil just doesn't get that warm here... containers get heated through much more quickly. yeah, you definitely need to remember to water the pots pretty much daily.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triath.livejournal.com
Yeah, my dad's are crazy huge, but they're planted against his south-facing house wall.

This year they grew almost as tall as the house. I can only hope that my garden this year is a fraction that successful.

Date: 2008-10-24 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sithjawa.livejournal.com
That is not a lot of heat. :) Where I live, the weather kills tomatoes. They're okay up to the mid-90s but over 100 is bad for them.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triath.livejournal.com
I've been having the same thoughts, especially since I need to work on my yard to get it ready for a garden.

Now's the time to plant bulbs (tulips, daffodils, crocuses, and irises)! I just bought some at the Gross Out and quickly put them in the ground. I'm so excited!!!

That's great that your yard is so large! I had no idea! Looking forward to seeing your garden.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cwendy41.livejournal.com
Don't quote me on this, but I believe that radishes grow like crazy underground and will need to be contained somehow (tubes in the soil to prevent it from spreading laterally). Asparagus can have deep roots.

This you can quote me on: If you decide to grow mint, best to keep it in a pot or it'll take over everything else in the garden.

Another thing to consider is how plants get along. Some plants put nitrogen in the soil, some deplete it. So planting them in a pair benefits each other. You can probably also look into starting a compost pile in the meantime if you plan on using compost in the soil.

I wish I had my own yard.

Date: 2008-10-23 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellwethr.livejournal.com
Oh, other cool plants that grow well here, from my local observations at least, would include artichokes and rhubarb.

Want some plants?

Date: 2008-10-23 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clairebaxter.livejournal.com
I'd love it if you wanted to dig up any of my lavender plants. I'm allergic, and hoping to get rid of the lot. I may have some rosemary (depending on if it's re-rooted itself) and I think I have (no, really) and extra bay (leaf) tree.

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